but I sure would've enjoyed that conversation!

Liza, I agree with Nance and your nail salon lady. I don't say it much but I have STRONG opinions about her and what happened starting that night on 60 minutes. So I can make the case here if it will help illuminate this POV for you.

To me she engaged in a cynical conspiracy to character-assassinate as liars all the women notched on Bill's belt buckle (or um, below) which made Hillary a liar herself and not just about private sex -- like many good solid Dems I had admired and trusted until they joined in the media campaign to make it "them or us.". Political liars, not personal liars. My government was lying to me about private citizens.
And not just "about" sex but against my sex (and hers.)

That's how sexual power works and why it corrupts in the workplace and in the marketplace. That's why young interns and local weathergirls or a mature woman freshly widowed and desperate (remember her?) asking for the president's help IN THE OVAL OFFICE and getting hit on instead, deserved better from Hillary than the stonewalling and counterattacks she helped sell as the story, to save her own skin. Why I was so angry and disillusioned when we didn't get it. Her obligation was either to all of us, as more than mere first lady standing by her man, or not. She can't have it both ways, not if she wants my vote.

I saw that she did the cold, hard calculations and then chose. Which is her right but then she has to keep the bargain imo. She sold her own cred as feminist, progressive, policy professional and future politician, forswearing all respect for the system and the LAW (she's a member of the bar, right, never investigated for lying about all those women for political reasons?) just to keep riding those charm-ismatic coattails for whatever personal, private ambitions or emotions she may have had (doesn't matter to me what they were, it was her deal.)

And it was a tawdry tv show even then (worse in retrospect, I can't believe America fell for those lies but it should've forwarned us what blithe acceptance of opportunistic lies we're capable of accepting from presidential machines.)

From 60 Minutes on through the "impeachment show" I did indeed think of Hillary as playing her part well but not as Tammy Wynette standing by her man. More like Tammy Faye Baker helping her husband manipulate the stupid women in the tv audience, just without the fake eyelashes . . .or nails.