Are You Progressive or Liberal?

Fresh Air from WHYY, October 27, 2006 ·
Geoff Nunberg discusses the differences between progressives and liberals which as I heard him, boil down to this: "Progressives still have hope."


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Yes

I am both. And I don't think liberals don't have hope. I use "progressive" simply because it hasn't been denegrated as successfully by the Repubs, and because it has a somewhat more uniquely American connotation. But my favorite T-shirt has "LIBERAL" in an American flag design across it.


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Good thing about progressive

is that its opposite would be "regressive!"

That's much easier to embody (for me) than setting myself up in direct opposition to "conservative" ideals. Linguistically, the word conservative still feels to me more prudent and frugal than wacko, despite recent evidence to the contrary. Smiling

I know what you mean about feeling "both" of two poles at the same time though. The both I tend to see these days in my own thinking, feels more like trying to integrate liberal and conservative to total a whole different, more resonant "progressive."


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Good points

You are right that "regressive" is the opposite of Progressive and that has a very different connotation than conservative. In fact "reactionary" is more what Republicans have become rather than conservative.

I am both liberal and progressive. Looking historically, I probably fit liberal better simply because some major progressives in the past were anti-evolution and such. By contrast, I can see almost all major advances in America have been liberal advances. But the overall philosophy of progressivism (and, for that matter, populism which has even different connotations) is something I like.

In the end, of course, they are all labels. In truth I get along with conservatives better than I do EITHER Greens or reactionaries. There are some things I am pretty leftist on but there are some I am conservative on. But sometimes choosing labels is convenient, and I am comfortable being labeled either liberal or progressive.


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The Disgust Factor

is partly based on labeling and marketing when it comes to how we respond to foods, so maybe it is in politics too? The Disgust Factor apparently is at the visceral level and very powerful, not only based on the senses like smell and taste but also the way we "feel" about the descriptions and language being used.

I'm thinking this could be electoral gold if we're creative enough to concoct some revolutionary nouvelle cuisine for progressive cafes all over the country. Smiling


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As per www.politicalcompass.org

I am a social libertarian. I am to the left of most people who call themselves liberals. On the compass I am actually to the left of Mohandas Gandhi :tongue: but on the same quadrant as Howard Zinn or Ivan Illich or even my former political philosophy professor, Bertell Ollman.

And you know what? I thought I would not agree with their test, but I so totally do. There's a lot of people out there who call themselves radicals, liberals, whatever, and I find them conservative either socially or politically. So, the test is kinda cool.


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It IS Cool

and it was illuminating to realize I am in the (lower) libertarian left quadrant, although close to dead-center economically, more noticeably left on the social scale. Near the Dali Lama, not too far from Nelson Mandela (socially if not economically) and also not that removed from Angela Merkel -- what I thought was especially interesting was seeing all our western leaders clustered in the diametrically opposed quandrant from me! Smiling

Thanks for this, I posted it at Snook and will report back here if we get results from unschooling types worth noting.


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A conservative defines

difference between liberal and progressive --

Liberals have also pulled a switch on what they call themselves. They've figured out that "liberal" is a pejorative word. In the minds of millions of Americans, it means woolly-headed thinking on every sort of issue. So liberals have morphed into "progressives."

And many of their sympathizers in the media have embraced the name change. Would they do the same if conservatives wanted to call themselves, say, "traditionalists"? I suspect not.

At the local level, liberals often go by a different name. They are "activists." Again, the media have helped popularize that word. So the folks who protest plans to build a Wal-Mart in their town or suburb are "activists." The people who oppose a zoning change to allow a church to be built are "activists." What about those who don't want an abortion clinic in their town? They're still conservatives. . .


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This gentleman is misleading

This person makes numerous assumptions that are wrong.

He assumes opposition to Wal-Mart is a liberal issue. Not so. Wal-Mart was opposed in Staten Island, for examople, by a coalition of groups including small business groups who would consider themselves conservatives as well as conservatives that dislike Wal-Marts violations of immigration laws and use of tax money for their own benefit.

He assumes religious people are conservative. Not true. There is a large religious left community as well as, I should add, an anti-religion libertarian community.

He is pushing his own agenda and not honestly considering ideas.

And, by the way, I would applaud anyone who uses the word "traditionalist" to distance him/herself from the modern form of Republican so-called "conservativism" that really in no way resembles traditional conservativism. I would still oppose "traidtionalists" (remember, slavery and sexism were as traditional as anything in America) but would respect their distance from Bush's reactionary policies.


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