Do not use my name or the name of any of my blogs for your petty vendetta against Markos Moulitzsa Zuniga or DailyKos

I am thisclose on getting all ghetto on your ass. I want you to stop and I want you to stop now.

I was born in East Harlem and raised in Puerto Rico. Before being a black woman, I have the qualitative Puerto Rican come before it. I don't pick or choose sides when it comes to my ethnicity or my race most of the time --unless you are Alberto Gonzales or Condoleeza Rice.

Right now, I am thisclose to choosing.

Which is why, as much as I have reasons to smack Markos upside the head for the kind of very public fall out he and I have had, I will get all ghetto on anybody's ass who tries to use my name to discredit him.

Do you get that?

I don't give a shit whether you are black or white. What I give a shit about is your true commitment to progressive political action.

What are you going to do to move forward a progressive agenda that will help everybody in this country equally?

Puertorriqueña I am siempre. I am black because I come from slavery; but my mother, who's white skin and green eyes I have taken in with love since the day I was born, comes from the Spaniard equivalent of white niggers. My family were both slaves and indentured servants and I was raised to never forget that.

The father of my children is as white as he can be through his Irish and Polish ascendancies. I have one child who is dark skinned and another one who is white. They both could pass as non-latinos and non-black if we were those kind of people.

Last, but not least, I happen to have blogs where the majority of the posters are white. It's not what I intended at all, but that's what it is. At least here at culturekitchen I have women on the front page. At the The Daily Gotham? It's all white men.

Are you going to call me a racist if the majority of people who have turned down my invitations to post on these sites are black americans and latinos?

Let this be a warning to not just to you, the person who has prompted me to write this post, but to all who use the services of this site.

Do not take my name or the name of any of my blogs in vain for any of your petty vendettas.

It is one thing to use the services of culturekitchen or any of my blogs to exercise your right to freedom of expression. This place is after all a service built with the intention of giving its users access to the political discourse of our country. This is a place, free of charge, meant to empower people by participating or agencing political discussions or calls to action.

It is an entirely different thing to come here, post in the forums, have someone agree with you in the comments section and then publish all around the web that "so-and-so at Culture Kitchen Confirms Blatant "Racism" at DailyKos" or adding on every freaking blogpost you've spammed all across the web "cross-posted at culturekitchen", so as to validate your vendetta.

Even though Markos Moulitsas-Zuñiga and I do not see eye to eye on a lot of issues pertaining the political activism and the blogosphere, I am not in the business of ennabling people's anger towards him. I am in the business of finding common ground in our activism. We are after all on the same side of the political blogosphere.

But more importantly, it should behoove a black man to go around spreading this kind of shit against another colored man. In the end, you are offering nothing to the issues you are supposedly trying to address. On the contrary, you are just getting off on stirring the shit and taking in its stink.

And in the process you are perpetuating the system of exclusion that you are supposedly trying to battle. The more you do what you do, the more you will be pushed out and ostracized. Do you get that?

When I got pissed off at the kind of racist bullshit the woman of FireDogLake put out and then the Clinton incident, I was excoriated by many around the web. But you know what, I was proven right in my first line of contention : Just because you think certain colored bloggers are not influential it doesn't mean it is true. It just means you didn't have the facts when you made the decisions you made. Why? Because my blogging informs my activism and there is a lot of work I do that does not get reported here but that have been positive contributions to the progressive movement in this country.

I don't just talk the talk, I walk it too.

I have met enough of the influentials at DailyKos and YearlyKos to say they have earned my respect. That they are all white people ... well. What can I say.

It is disheartening there is not more diversity in the mainstream liberal blogosphere. Look no further than Huffington Post.

But this is an issue that not only affects people in blogging about politics. It is also an issue that happens in the technology and business side of blogs as well.

Yet, just because more people of color are not part of the mainstream it doesn't mean they are not doing it for themselves.

There are incredibly vibrant blogospheres of color with huge audiences. People looking for hiphop, fashion, business, technology, even political wisdom in the African American, Asian, Native American and Latino communities could spend a whole year in these blogosphere without setting a foot on a site like DailyKos.

Do you want to know why? People in our communities are so used to being in the fringes in meatspace they expect not to be part of the mainstream political discourse in cyberspace. So they have taken to the web to build it all for themselves without a care about who acknowledges them for what.

We don't need validation from The Man if we don't seek it since seeking it seems to empower it more.

It is as simple as that.

DailyKos is not the end all of end alls. It does not have to be the go-to blog for issues oriented politics if you don't want it to. But there's the rub.

It amazes me how many people complain about that site but fail to make other community sites, this one included, the necessary alternatives.

David is the managing editor and Lorraine is the senior editor here at culturekitchen. If they need to ban your ass, they have my blessing. Especially if you fail to understand the point of this rant :

You are not here to complain about other people's blogs. You are here to help find ways to get more colored people into the mainstream political blogosphere. The way you do that is by empowering sites like culturekitchen and bringing more people here to participate. If you are incapable of understanding this very important mission then I think it's time for you to move on.


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Michael Bouldin's picture

I have no idea

.... who or what you're talking about.
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mole333's picture

Not cool

Not cool to make claims about us on other sites that are misleading.

I will point out that Daily Gotham, although most of us are white men writing for it, was one of the main sites that addressed head on local race issues surrounding certain elections. We got lots of shit from white liberals and lots of thanks from local black bloggers.

So the color of your skin doesn't necessarily color how you think. Still, the contributor in question has made some good points now and again and I have head from many that they find the dominant mindset on dKos is stiffling. But I agree that he turns it into an unproductive vendetta.

We are all on the same side and should not let differences over a primary get in the way with our common ground.


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Liza said "I am this close

Liza said "I am this close getting all ghetto on your ass" I am wondering if such phrasing is as un-politically correct as using the N-word. After all, using such a phrase as "ghetto your ass" implies that the ghetto is a bad place. That is a stereotype.

A ghetto is defined (using the definition at answers.com) as "A usually poor section of a city inhabited primarily by people of the same race, religion, or social background" Nothing in that definition says bad or dangerous or awful. You can live in a ghetto that could be a mighty fine place to live, it just happens to be what it is, a neighborhood populated by numbers of people of a certain economic and/or ethnic status.

Now when Liza uses "ghetto your ass" is it not like using the "N" word, giving it a negative stereotype? I don't even agree with the city council proposal to deal with excessive use of the "N" word because it is free speech, but that doesn't make it correct speech. Nor do I think it is correct speech for Liza to use the word "ghetto" to describe how she might get bad or do bad or nasty to a user that is annoying her. Ghettos do not have to be bad, are not all bad. We have to get away from such stereotypes. In my opinion.


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Michael Bouldin's picture

PC police much, Wallner?

And today's prize for Politically Correct Moronic Futile Claptrap goes to (pause) Wallner!

Clap, audience, clap!


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JJ Ross's picture

Um

. . .but isn't "clap" slang for one of of those VDs they taught us about in school?
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liza's picture

Oh, please

I am black.

I am latina.

I was born in a ghetto.

I was raised in the US last colony.

I have earned the right to say these things.

You, on the other hand, will have to dream you could.

As a white man, alas, you cannot.

The end.


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francislholland's picture

Anger in the Ghetto

If I said, "I'm going to go all Martha's Vineyard on someone", people would certainly wonder what terrible things had happened in Martha's Vineyard to make me use that expression. But I understood the expression to mean, "I'm angry at you, just like people in the ghetto are angry". Since people in the ghetto often have a lot to be angry about, like segregation and redlining, I understood that Liz meant that she was "very angry". I'm angry about those things, and I don't even live in "the ghetto."

"Only after we change that which seemed essential do we realize how natural the "new normal" really is and how inevitable it always was."

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Margaret Bassett's picture

As my mother would say: Now Kids!

I don't mean to pull the old-age stuff on you. I will just say how I feel about getting upset, on or off the cybersphere. First, about my mother. We four children and our parents were cooped up in two rooms in below zero weather during winter months. We had long since obeyed her about not fighting in the house. But there were always tendencies to let go with words. Her admonition was that "if you can't say anything pleasant, don't say anything." One other thing, in our utter whiteness, there were still ethnic battles. Once the other kids at school were willing to tell what kind of hyphenated Americans they were, and we couldn't answer, so we asked her. She told us we were just Americans, always say that. As I grew older, I wondered how much she had put up with during World War I. Both my parents have German surnames. She told how the Lutheran schools who taught classes in German changed to keep from having trouble with the neighbors. And then at a rare moment of letting her mind go back in time, she mentioned that people had to be very careful about letting their children eat treats, because they might have ground glass in them.
I don't know what makes people so mean. But I like you folks and I know you are trying to make the world a better place. I've seen that cute young man who runs Daily Kos on TV and I admire his knowledge and his business acumen. However, I don't know what part business plays in many blogs. I know for sure where political candidates' motives come from. And blogs are run by organizations, be they NRA or AFSC, we can be pretty sure the motivation.
I quite seriously would like your explanation of what causes a political blog to survive well and to carry out its stated mission.


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mole333's picture

I sure hope Liza knows...

'Cause I'm still finding my way in the dark when it comes to this blogging thing.

Still shocks me that anyone wants to read what I write let alone that it could be part of a successful business thingie.

Remember, my other job's a scientist. Not much business acumen there. Done okay with investments, but not business.


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Margaret Bassett's picture

Good to hear from you!

Hi, David. I think the specter of Selma has got to us all. JJ has a good take on the dueling preachers of last Sunday.
Maybe this isn't really scientific but I've read where it is. Two-thirds of communication is non-verbal, the other third verbal. Meaning voice inflection, facial mien, stance--the whole posturing thing--carries the argument, and politicians know that. Kerry on the Summit drove me crazy when I campaigned for him. In the early stages it was so pronounced that I posted a friendly hint about teaching the camera not to shoot from below.
You and I have known each other for so long that I was not put off when I saw your picture on this site. I always thinking of you as coochy cooing Jacob. But I decided not to put my picture on, because I thought I should act "young" which led me to a picture of me hugging a big Santa. Then I thought, Oh, my God! They'll think I'm a religious nut or something. Or just a nut.
Sometimes the language displayed on blogs, in general, seem out of place with the subject. I still am in the old days with a yahoogroup. If I used foul language there they could kick me off. All of this became relevant with the dustup over Edwards' short involvement with a couple of bloggers. And then came the Coulter/CPAC caper. And it's all on YouTube.
I suppose you are a little like me--don't much care for excesses in political journalism. The WP reporter was taken to task over making too many conclusions before the Libby verdict, for example.
I also thought about places like politicalcortex, which is pretty wonkish at times, but as far as I know there is only one member who goes out of his way to say extreme things, which are probably considered satire. I personally like the fellow from Long Island who is quite analytical. Lately, I follow what Rob Kall is doing on OpEdNews. That started because I could pick up my Knoxville columnist's piece there. (He got the shaft, by the way, and is not with the Sentinel any more. It was over too many articles against Bush.) You can see all Don Williams articles on OpEdNews.
It gets down to a question of how much is back fence chatter and how much is deeper political punditry, I suppose, in the kind of pages we contribute to.
So no answers from me. Just something to ponder.


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