Have you been saved? What a question!

[Liza's Note : This is an awesome post that I meant to promote to the front page before the holiday (soy) nog and mojitos got in the way. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.]


Rarely were Tennesseans so blunt the first time they met me. It was more likely something like, “Do you have a home church?” Which of course I didn’t in Maryville. There is no United Church of Christ in Blount County. In Knoxville, one is listed on Weisgarber Road.

During the late 60s, I served as Sunday School superintendent and my husband was treasurer in such a church located in a near-west Chicago suburb. Half of the children went to Catholic schools.

In the public schools, a large percentage of the children attended Catholic churches. When we had pancake breakfasts, mothers of the Catholic children thanked us for accepting their children.

Often the family had a “mixed marriage.”

U C of C history comes straight from the story of the Old North Church in Paul Revere’s time. They often work with other Christian groups to promote acceptance of all Christians.

During college days, I participated in an interracial fellowship group, hosted by Northern Baptists in Iowa City. Southern Baptists split from the national organization before the civil war, clearly over the question of race. In East Tennessee, one finds the denomination further divided with names like Missionary, Independent and Reformed.

Only occasionally do I meet with Baptists or others who express annoyance over increased rights of African-Americans. Even during the civil war, this part of the state sympathized with the North.

President Andrew Johnson’s home in Greeneville is an easy drive from Maryville. Our part of the state is solid Republican, Lincoln Republican.

Branch Taylor’s first volume of the “King Years” makes it clear how both Rockefeller and Jack Kennedy courted the Negro in 1960. When it came time for the SCLC and SNCC to explore voting rights it was the Highlander School in Tennessee who provided direction. Frank Adams, with founder Myles Horton, published a book in 1975 called Unearthing Seeds of Fire: the Idea of Highlander.

Labor and community organization was a part of the social tension in Tennessee since the 30s.

During World War II, ALCOA brought in black workers who settled and have prospered. Since the mid-thirties, the company had been obligated to pay their union workers the same rate as they did in the North.

After modernization of the plant in the 80s under former Secretary of Treasury Paul O’Neill, the number of employees decreased. One of the leading manufacturers now is Nippondenso, which is the employment preference of many. One can study Japanese in special classes.

When someone asks me whether I’m saved, I realize that they are telling about old-timey ways. I learned to do what good conversationalists are supposed to do –listen. It gave me a new understanding of colonialism.

I stick to my rule that one does not talk dogma with strangers.

Tennessee initiated gambling to hold off an income tax. The proceeds provide college scholarships to achieving high school graduates. Cities are allowed the chance to vote for retail liquor. Our city and those around us have embraced it.

Restaurants arrived like dandelions in the spring. The use tax approaches 10% in Tennessee and each city and county gets a share.

If we go out to eat, the server rushes to ask what we want to drink. Most customers stick with sweet tea, I observe.

We’ve gone modern.

In fact so promotionally modern that if you bring your church bulletin to a restaurant on Sunday, you will probably be given a dollar rebate.


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mole333's picture

Interesting, as always

As always an interesting perspective on a part of America I am not so familiar with.

Reminds me a little of when I spend a few months in Western Samoa in the South Pacific. The people there are very nice, though belligerant when drunk. Christian missionaries spent a great deal of time competing over the Samoans, so that now there are more Christian chruches in each village than any other kind of building. When they ask you "what religion are you?" in Samoa they are really asking "what Christian church do you belong to?"

So, as a Jew, I was outside their experience.

I once met a Samoan in the capital, Apia, and we sat down and started beating the heat with some large bottles of the native "Vailima" beer. We drank the kind that the natives drink--better, bigger AND cheaper than what the tourists drank. Neither of us had much to do that day, so we drank for quite some time and had some really great discussions. Samoans enjoy talking, drinking and making friends, to whom they are very generous.

At some point in our long drinking/discussing session, he asked me "what religion are you?" Alarm bells went off in my head, but I am honest...so I said I was "Jewish."

It was almost as if I had said I was a cannibal. A look of utter astonishment...and anger...came to his face. He asked, amazed, "YOU'RE JEWISH???" When I repeated that I was, very calmly, I watched his face go through a whole range of emotions very rapidly: confusion, anger, then remembering that he has just had a long, friendly afternoon with me...back to confusion.

Finally, he pulled himself together and said, "Maybe I don't know what that means."

Interestingly, San Diego, California, is the other place where I had encountered people who really had no idea what it meant to be a Jew.


Margaret Bassett's picture

"Some of my best friends are ...."

Shortly after WWII, when I
was working at the American-
Scandinavian Foundation on
East 64th St in NYC, one of our associates was a woman of no nonsense from Massachusetts. I was the lone goy in our office. At the time I was outraged by open anti-Semitism in the City. Probably the discussion du jour had to do with something like whether to attend the concert by the pianist Geisikin (spelling phonetic)because he was reported to have been a collaborator. One thing led to another and finally she simply said: What's the difference? Some of my best friends are anti-Semitic.


liza's picture

PROMOTED!

* Changed the date
* Edited paragraphs for clarity
* Added a graphic

I looooooove this post. I love how you knit the narrative here from one vignette to another; using religion as the common thread. It's as if religion is not about religion anymore but a state of mind that controls every aspect of life in your slice of Tennessee.


Margaret Bassett's picture

Religion is a long thread, sometimes bloody

If one stops to think on it, we study history as a combination of territorial grab and religious conversion. Modern history is surely as bloody as in the Old Testament.
Sometimes one has to wonder whether we adults are much more advanced than a couple of little boys duking it out in the schoolyard, when they try to settle whose daddy can run/shoot/nameit the fastest.
During the 04 campaign I worked with an e-group of very savvy Texans from Austin. Much of our discussion settled around just how we got involved with the God/War question. Some, who grew up in the Southern Baptist tradition, wanted to throw religion out the window. As if that can ever happen. People just keep finding new beliefs.


Tara Parks's picture

oh, this brings back

oh, this brings back memories. growing up in Chattanooga, i was always asked where my church was. when i was really young, i was embarrassed that we didn't have one, so i picked out one that i went to when my grandparents came to town (super old time relgious)and said it was my church. eventually i got over it.

excellent post.


Margaret Bassett's picture

NOYB and how to say it nicely

It's really none of their business when strangers ask about one's religion. It's never stopped anyone. Had such an incident just last week in the warm water pool at the Wellness Center. The woman and I have acquaintances in common, and I know where those people go to church. One thing leads to another and the first thing you know, I was in a corner. I'm not a Baptist, have eaten with friends in many of their churches. Used to attend Episcopal services with my late husband until we both were too old to climb the stairs--and maybe the social strata. I wiggled out of the corner by talking about "Girls Gone Wild." Now there's a topic on the front page of today's paper, to vote about. And my water pal and I were on the same side of the question about how those who want to see such channels are going to anyhow. And then the conversation veered off to the Inquirer, and how her son-in-law, who used to be the janitor in my building, had to cart out many such magazines from the nice little old ladies who live here.
Other topic: I think the election between Corker and Ford was cultural, not political. What do you think?


Tara Parks's picture

Girls Gone Wild!!! you are a

Girls Gone Wild!!! you are a wild one, Margaret!

it is hard for me to write this...i have met Bob Corker. i am not a fan of his politics.

i am not a big Ford fan,either, but i would prefer him over Corker. i do think it was cultural but not strictly race related. i also think money determined that election, though it was close. (what's new?) Corker's roots are strong in the eastern part of the state. he does lots of business there. and i feel it would be hard for anyone to beat him.

those ads were awful. and racist.


Michael Bouldin's picture

Slightly off-topic, but

...one of my little pet peeves is how Evangelicals refer to themselves, exclusively, as 'Christians', the implication being that members of other denominations are something else. I remember reading a testimonial somewhere once from someone who was 'a Catholic before she became a Christian'.

Very irksome, that kind of stuff.


Margaret Bassett's picture

Technical comment

I remember answering this post. It's not here. Just more goings-on with my DSL, apparently.


Sigfried's picture

No. During the War Between

No. During the War Between the States, the East Tennessee area, Knoxville, Maryville supported both the north and south. There were plenty of Confederacy supporters, probably a majority. This has been researched since we moved here.

The question "have you been saved" is not something I say to people, but I understand that it is motivated out of care and concern for another.


Margaret Bassett's picture

I agree about varied Civil War sympathies, culturally

One of the first things which alerted me to that was the house turned into a museum (Longstreet if I remember correctly, in Knoxville). We were still tourists and had time to visit places in the city. The nice lady gave us a great tour and then said she was thrilled that General Robert E. Lee had just regained his citizenship. Things run deeply in sentiment sometimes.
I am most interested in how the Southern Baptists broke from the Baptist Church. It was over the question of slavery. Most of the Baptists I know have little outward hostility toward African-Americans, yet define themselves as much by which part of the Baptist Church they belong to==Missionary, Primitive, etc.
I live down the Parkway from Friendsville which had its Quaker beginnings from that time. One of our Maryville neighbors had parents whose families came from both sides of the question. A nice place to see history, for me, is Andrew Johnson's home. It is so well taken care of. It's a good way of seeing how a man of little learning and no wealth managed to play a big roll in Tennessee history. And his history also tells us a lot about troubled times in politics after the war.
Just as an aside: Will Lamar run for Senate again?


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