Vilsack's Out

The Democrat with the least electable name, Tom Vilsack, has dropped out:

I have the boldest plan to get us out of Iraq and a long-term policy for energy security to keep us out of future oil wars. Our campaign has built the strongest organization here in Iowa, with almost 3,000 supporters among Democratic caucus goers. We are organizationally positioned to win the caucuses in January 2008. We have everything to win the nomination and general election.

Everything except money.

That is why this morning after discussing with my wife Christie and our sons Jess and Doug we have decided to end our campaign for the presidency.

Pragmatic. Vilsack wasn't bad. But he had no chance at all. I am glad he saw this fact so early.


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mole333's picture

Too bad, of course

I was looking for the year we had Vilsack against Brownback.


Michael Bouldin's picture

Tragic.

It's only February 2007, and we've seen good candidates - Warner, Feingold, and now Vilsack - dropping out. This isn't good. In the end, we'l have two or three candidates in the primary for the most wide-open race since 1952, and that's detrimental to the full discussion the country needs.

On the other hand, I'm sick of it already, so maybe this isn't that bad. Heh.


mole333's picture

Agreed

I like having a wide field of good candidates. I think an "inevitability" train will be disasterous, and not because I think Hillary is completely unelectable. I think keeping the voter's interest and making the media have to keep shifting targets is better than ending the suspense too early and giving the media a single, solid target to pour their right wing propoganda on.

Vilsack in particular I liked having in the race. He doesn't suit my tastes, but he would keep the attention of some people who would see Hillary and Obama as too "Hollywood" or something like that.

ANd yet we still have Biden, Mr. "Foot in Mouth" himself.


Michael Bouldin's picture

Seriously...

...what is Biden thinking? That there's this huge movement across the country slobbering for yet another Senator?

Not.


mole333's picture

Uninspiring

Biden was uninspiring even when Dukakis was running.


Michael Bouldin's picture

Now that's just cruel.

If accurate.


rwallnerny2007's picture

Not many candidates will make it past Iowa

It is so expensive to run now that I think more candidates won't make it the whole way to actual voting. Vilsack's dropping out only affects Iowa where the last poll I saw had him at 14%. Those votes have to go somewhere, and bear in mind Vilsack's a Clintonista, big past Clinton supporter/DLC guy, who the news stories said called Hillary and apologized to her when he decided to run against her. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Team Hillary pressured him out and that he'll end up endorsing and being one of her national chairmen or something.

Biden's a foreign policy expert and has put forth the most practical ideas on the Iraq war situation. But I think both he and Chris Dodd are running purely to get their positions out there and push their policies and that both will drop out well before the end of the year. The only candidate who might be standing besides Hillary, Obama and Edwards by Iowa might be Kucinich, who's an egomaniac perennial now, like Pat Paulsen used to be.

There is and will be increasingly enormous pressure from the party for those who aren't scoring in the polls to drop out. Before long, you'll see Hillary, Obama and Edwards refusing to debate the likes of Dodd, Biden, Kucinich if they don't have five percent in the polls. Thats just the business of politics now.


mole333's picture

Richardson

I think Richardson has more of a chance than Kucinich. Kucinich may have many positions I admire, but Biden has marginally a better shot than he does.

Richardson has more of a shot than Kucinich because of the strong Hispanic vote he can harness and let's not forget that Governors are the ones who almost invariably do best in the running for president business. Sure, seeing a Gov. of California or Texas win might not be surprising, but Gov. of Tennessee, Arkansas and Georgia aren't exactly what you would think would be superstars, but they won. Yes, all Southern, but I think there is an allure of a governor. They have executive experience yet can run as the outsider, a combination many find irresistable. The governor factor alone made me feel Vilsack and Richardson may be underestimated. By contrast, Congressional Reps. do not do well in this business. Perhaps even worse than Senators.


Michael Bouldin's picture

Never happened.

No sitting member of the House has ever been elected to the Presidency. There's little reason to suspect that Kucinich will break the mold.

BTW, Wallner was the one who predicted Suozzi would drop out under the pretext of not having enough petition signatures; that Letitia James was running for mayor, and Weiner was not; that Obama/Schumer was the most logical Dem ticket (Gatemouth called that a sitcom plotline rather than a political possibility). There has been quite more thigh-slapping inaninity, but those are some highlights.

The point being that while Wallner may be able to log on to a blog, there's little evidence to suggest he has any capacity whatsoever for analysis or prediction.


rwallnerny2007's picture

Once again...

And once again Bouldin is making personal attacks instead of substantively posting to the topic of the post, as if anyone cares what I did or didn't post in the past. Do you get off on cutting me down? Give it up already. Nobody cares. Anyway you you have posted your own share of lousy poltical prognostications, such as the one where you posted days before the cd11 race that you were sure it was a two person race was between Owens and Yassky.

Richardson would be a fine president, but his being hispanic is a real wildcard. It could well play against him in red states and some swing states where anti-immigration fervor is out there. Are these people whose main issue is resentment of mexican and south american immigrants coming in and taking jobs for low wages going to elect a hispanic-american president? Anyway I predict he's not going to raise enough money to play at the big table next January and will be gone before then. To win the game you have to play the cards, and you have to have the chips to play the cards.


JJ Ross's picture

And once again

I grow increasingly offended, and already have asked politely for for it to be corrected -- and provided an engaging reference backing up that it needs correction -- by this repeated presumption that all the bias, bigotry and small-minded lack of progressive thought are solely in the red and swing states.

It could well play against him in red states and some swing states where anti-immigration fervor is out there.

All this does is make me see red. Not the way to win over the south or any population imo.

The "notion that the South is more than just 'different,' that it is distinct from the rest of the nation ... an inexplicable variant from the national norm," is a false exaggeration, wrote Zinn, that "feeds self-righteousness in the North ...
By the 2032 elections, the South is expected to control almost 40 percent of the electoral votes for President -- more than the shrinking Northeast and Midwest combined.

And yet a stubborn belief in the poor, backward, reactionary cracker South of myth still shapes and distorts American politics.

This is beginning to feel like all the blithe elitist "help" good ol' BLUE-blooded Boston gave us southern RED-necked bigots with school busing, at least a decade before noticing the "anti-immigrant fervor" segregating their own schools.

Again. Please. A little more care with the tar brush.


Michael Bouldin's picture

Please note...

...that Wallner is a member of a species, native to (if increasingly endangered in) certain precincts of New York City and San Francisco: The Liberal Who Knows Better Than You. They are considered awful crashing bores even here.

As far as the south is concerned, I still maintain, and always will, that it is perfectly winnable for us. To do that, however, we need to stop deluding ourselves that liberal Northeastern Senators - cough, Hillary cough, Kerry cough - have much appeal there. With candidates who speak the language of the voters - Jim Webb, say - we win, and can win anywhere. Also, as MyDD recently laid out, the South is friendlier to Democrats than other parts of the country where we've done better.

And above all, it's party policy - cf. 50-state strategy - to compete everywhere. Wallner may not like that, or maybe he does, but that doesn't matter, because that's what we're going to do.


Michael Bouldin's picture

But you give me such rich material...

Face it, Wallner, your approach to 'political commentary' is pretty much uninformed by anything except the way you'd like things to be. Today, for example, you're declaring Harper's - the first magazine to call for Bush's impeachment, if memory serves - to be 'fairly conservative'. That's not a matter of opinion, that's just goddamn fucking stupid. There are no shades of gray here - that is a stupid statement to be making. Stupid. Stoo-peed.

Or your claim that SEIU was supporting Maureen O'Connell over Craig Johnson because the latter was too conservative. I got emails about that one (not for the first time), requesting explanations, and an apology, because you seemingly originated on Daily Gotham. I told people (note the plural) that I was in no way responsible for your stupidity. Steve Perez set you right on that, but all to no avail.

Or your current screed on Room Eight about how we shouldn't be following election law in the 40th - this because, presumably, that's a fantastic precedent to be setting. Let me just say that your reputation in New York blogdom is firmly established, Wallner.

So yeah, I take whatever you say with a view to your prior track record, and I'd suggest others do the same. You'd predict pretty pink ponies flying across the sky if that struck your fancy, Wallner; and while others might be constrained by what is called 'observable reality', clearly, you labor under no such fetters.

Sorry if that's personal, but I believe that your unique way of approaching things should occasionally be put into some semblance of context. The context being, of course, that you generally have no clue what you're talking about.

You're welcome.


rwallnerny2007's picture

Don't get so defensive

JJ, I never said that "all bias, bigotry and small minded lack of progressive thought" are based SOLELY in the red and swing states. I would never say that. I am southern myself, as or more southern than you are, I am from Georgia and I turned out liberal. So don't get so defensive. It doesn't change the fact that there are parts of the country which are more conservative than others. There are states that are less likely to vote for a woman candidate, a black candidate, or a hispanic candidate than others. That is not being self righteious, that is just a fact. A fact that is proven by the fact that some states, such as my former home state of georgia, have never elected a non-WASP male governor or senator. Ever.

There are plenty of progressives in the south and elsewhere, but they are a minority in the bible belt region. That doesn't mean the south is "backwards, reactionary, cracker", it just means that plainly, literally, that more people are conservative down there. The same states go red every year no matter who the democrats nominate. Some states, like Mississippi, have gone red in national elections pretty consistently ever since Johnson passed the civil rights act in 1964. That isn't a bias, its a fact. In fact I think it is you that stereotype the north by getting so defensive anytime anyone points out anything like that. We don't get past the problems that are still out there, the fact that many people in the south AND north are still prejudiced and theocratic, by ignoring those problems and pretending they don't exist. Or pretending, as you seem to want to do, that the red states are as blue as the blue states and the blue as red as the red states.


JJ Ross's picture

Convoluted

I can't make heads or tails of that.
I shouldn't be offended because you don't stereotype but I DO stereotype, and besides I'm not a real southerner and you are, so it's okay for you to speak as offensively about the south as you please, but I must be either ignorant or pretending not to be??

And people both north and south ARE still prejudiced but my saying so, somehow means I am pretending the regions are all the same which they aren't (but not if YOU say it, in which case it's plain fact)??


rwallnerny2007's picture

re: Bouldin, I said

re: Bouldin, I said *suspected* that SEIU *might* have thought Craig Johnson was more conservative. Since I am not SEIU I could not claim anything as a fact. Neither could you. But anyone is entitled to think or suspect certain things. Anyone who complained is an idiot, and they should complain to the person posting anyway if they had any cajones.

Anyway you could have said all that to me in email, but you get off on bashing me in public. Not sure why. Maybe you have anger management issues and you need to vent a lot and find easy targets to pick on? (that is not stating anything as a fact, just a gut instinct I have from the obsessive nature of your posts against me) The fact that you seem to spend a lot of time itemizing and recalling things I said in the past is in my opinion a good indicator though. It does sound obsessive. Nobody cares what you think about my views. This is a political board. We all have opinions, we all have the opportunity to post them. There is no constructive point to carrying out personal agendas in public. I have asked you before to leave me out of your posts. Instead you keep posting and obsessively trying to tear me apart. What the hell did I ever do to you? Give it up! Or at least if you want to rant and rave, do it in email and I will as well. Fair enough?

re: JJ, when and where in my post did I say that you are not a real southerner? You get so defensive! All I said was I am a southerner too, *AS* southern as you are, so I am not biased against the south. Thats all. I was trying to say there are progressives everywhere and conservatives everywhere, but in some places there are more of some than others. This is a fact. When Mississippi goes blue again, get back to me.


JJ Ross's picture

No

Maybe it's not just me that can't make out your meaning, if even you can't understand it? You wrote:

"I am southern myself, as or more southern than you are. . ."


Michael Bouldin's picture

Dude...

...if you can dish out crapola like 'Harper's is a fairly conservative magazine', then it needs to be both rebutted and placed in context. The context, in your case, is a long and almost unblemished record of being off-the-wall wrong on simple, basic tropes of discourse.

I'd also note that many, not all, people tend to examine whether their 'opinions' on 'facts' bear any resemblance to the way said 'facts' are commonly understood. I'd say that's kind of incumbent on anyone who spends any amount of time whatsoever making their 'opinions' known to others. In especially when said 'opinions' are framed with such certainty.

In the age of Google, unfortunately, such stupidity can't just be left standing. Public dumb-assedness requires public refutation. Private emails, not that I would ever consider that venue with one so disagreeable, are not enough to right the public record.

Then again, we have a new Wallner rule: all of your assertions of fact must now be backed up with links.


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