David Gergen and CNN pundits challenge Hillary Clinton to denounce the racist vote [UPDATED 2]

[ Editorial Note: Now we have the important part of the transcript. ]


This is one of those historic TV moments that people will be talking about for a long time. And let me tell you, I lost it as it was happening. Twitter or not, I was agog at the sight of David Gergen calling out Hillary and Bill Clinton on their racist strategy.

He even went as far as saying that there is a sense the culture is legitimizing the racist language and creating justifications that is allowing Clinton to base her electoral value on the racial composition of those of her voters who wouldnt not vote for Obama.

That's why it's particularly shocking to have seen David Gergen, a former communications advisor to Ronald Regan, say that racism is starting rear its head in ways we've never seen before; and to validate that for votes is counter to the ethos of the Democratic Party.

I mean, she's been talking about sexism in this race and she has complained about some in the last 24 hours.

You know race is really playing an increasing issue. And it also raises the question in my judgment of whether she shouldn't say, you know, if you want to vote against him because he's black, I don't want your vote. I don't want to win that way. This has no place in this primary.

She's raised the issue of sexism in this race and she's complained some about it the in the last 24 hours? Race is playing ... it's an increasing issue. That raises the question in my judgement, whether she shouldn't say, "You know, if you don't want to vote against him because he's black, then I don't want your vote."

And that's not even half of it. There is a powerful back and forth that is not included in this clip. Yet more importantly, CNN doesn't have neither a clip nor a transcript of this exchange (and the omitted one) on their site. There's the moments right before and after this exchange but no transcript for this important moment in US political history.

Goes to show how big media is at odds with it's own influence and power.

Watch this clip and see how David Gergen redeems the whole both republicans and the political analyst profession. To say this solidifies my admiration for him is to put it mildly : My admiration goes back to at least 20 years if not more of watching him do political commentary first on PBS and then on CNN.

WATCHI IT!

Hat Tip to Natalie (aka @natthedem) who twittered the video.

UPDATE!
Now with transcripts!

You can read the whole transcript here.

Here's the clip's exchange:

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, we have been looking at some of the exit polls from Kentucky, in particular the issue of race. Voters who said that race was important in making their decision or is the factor in making their decision.

DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: It is more disquieting news I think for Barack Obama as he looks for the general election.

COOPER: One in five I think.

GERGEN: It was about 21 percent that race was a factor. Nine out of ten of those voted for Hillary Clinton.

COOPER: And that is people that would admit it to a complete strangers taking these exit polls theoretically it would be even larger those who would not admit it.

GERGEN: And from her point of view, over a quarter of the people who voted for her today in Kentucky were people who said race was a factor in their decision. And it really means -- I mean, she's been talking about sexism in this race and she has complained about some in the last 24 hours.

You know race is really playing an increasing issue. And it also raises the question in my judgment of whether she shouldn't say, you know, if you want to vote against him because he's black, I don't want your vote. I don't want to win that way. This has no place in this primary.

COOPER: Do you see her saying that?

GERGEN: Well, she has been a champion -- she's been a champion of civil rights for a long, long time. She and her husband both have I think well-earned reputations in the civil rights front. She's never had redneck votes before in her life.

I see no reason why she couldn't take the high road here in the closing days of his campaign and try to take this on and take on the Reverend Wright issue to say, "Look, I campaigned with this fellow for 15 months. I know a lot of you people don't think he shares your values that somehow Barack thinks like Reverend Wright. Not true. I know him. I have been with him. And race should come out of this."

I think she could do a lot by taking a high road.

COOPER: Reverend Wright also showed up in these exit polls.

GLORIA BORGER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, in the state of Kentucky, 54 percent of the voters said Barack Obama shares the views of Reverend Wright. That's something we saw also in West Virginia.

And does Barack Obama share your values? 53 percent of the voters in Kentucky said, "No, he doesn't." This is some of the repair work that he's got to do in terms of the voters that Hillary Clinton is getting.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: Hillary Clinton ought to keep in mind, I think, the long view here. She's got many more years in public life ahead of her. Taking the high road at this point, saying I don't want racists to vote for me, saying that this is about something bigger than just strategizing the last few races. I think that would stand her in very good stead.

BORGER: Very late for that. What in Montana and South Dakota?

TOOBIN: I mean, she might as well say it, because I think it would make a difference. This race has been so polarized along the issues of race and, frankly, I think most people blame her for that than they blame Obama. And to leave, if she's in fact leaving on the high road, would do a world of good.

GERGEN: She could do it on Reverend Wright. She could still take that on before she leaves this race.

BORGER: Yes and continue it through the fall.

And here is David Gergen's closing thoughts on the subject as an exchange with Donna Brazille:

Donna Brazile, what does that tell you about this race and about what Barack Obama has ahead of him?

DONNA BRAZILE, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, it says that the voters of Kentucky preferred Senator Clinton. The Clintons have had over 20 years, two decades to really reach out to those voters. They know the Clintons very well. They loved Bill Clinton as president and there's no question that I think that played a much larger role than race.

Look, there's a Los Angeles times poll out just a few weeks ago. Forty-one percent of white voters say they would back Senator Obama. Forty-five percent said they would back John McCain. We can make a mountain out of a mole hill and say that all of a sudden race is the number one factor. But I think there are other issues that play.

Senator Obama is new to the political scene, some voters don't know him. Early on, black voters did not know him and they were backing Senator Clinton. So as voters get to know him, they're more comfortable with him. They've begun to trust him and know where he stands on the issues. I think Senator Obama will do much better have those voters.

COOPER: Do you agree with that, David?

GERGEN: Well, she may be right. And I'm not sure.

My sense, Anderson, is that the race card is being played more heavily today than it was in the beginning of the campaign. And that there is somehow now an increasing sense of the culture almost legitimizing racial comments by opponents.

I mean, there were things like this back in New Hampshire, but there were some ugly incidents in places like Pennsylvania. And Barack Obama didn't even campaign in Kentucky and West Virginia in part because I think he faced some of these barriers.

I do think that racism is starting to rear its head in ways we haven't seen in the campaign. I think it's important to take it on. And I think it's important for the Democratic Party to take it on.

You know, race has been a big issue in our politics through our whole history. And we're seeing it play out in some parts of the country. This is not a racist country. I do think these are pockets of racism, but I think it's there and it's -- if it casts a shadow over this race, it's going to be really tragic in many ways.

Bravo David Gergen and the whole CNN team!

You've raised the political discourse in this country in just one night.


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Obamesque's picture

Don't underestimate Gergen

There's a reason Gergen was chosen as the balancing factor in Op-Ed political analysis with Mark Shields years ago on the MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour: while he clearly has an affection for what we over-generalize as "conservative" perspectives, he just as clearly has an appreciation of reality. Gergen does genuine, rational analysis; he doesn't present talking points as a story, his reporting remains noteworthy for how honest and objective it is. *thumbs up*


liza's picture

I LOVE GERGEN

I totally miss Gergen and Shields on the MacNeil/Lehrer hour. I can't even remember how far back I started watching them, but Gergen has always been the cool headed commentator I could never be Laughing out loud

He is really one of my biggest inspirations as political analysts go. Donna Brazille is getting there these days; but Gergen, he's definitely a HUGE part in my formative years as a pundit wannabe.

So let me share a few of these Not worthy


lizriz's picture

Denoucing votes?

Hi Liza,

Would you prefer that all the racists in America vote for McCain? Real change to racism in America will come when the Democrats are in the White House, I hope, but they have to get there first.

I do not believe that Hillary is a racist, although I do agree that some of her statements about demographics have been very poorly stated. I am of the growing opinion that neither candidate should discuss demographics themselves.

What I see in what you're discussing here, however, is an attempt to get Hillary to denounce votes, and that would seem a poor political decision indeed. It assumes that she is not going to take the nomination, for one thing, and that's not decided yet. Further, it uses the racism of some of the voters voting for her to try to influence her to sabotage her own campaign.

I have been beyond upset by the sexist words and beliefs of many, many Obama supporters, particularly on the web. It would make me happy if he addressed it, but I would never expect him to say he doesn't want the votes of any sexists. That's just bad politics.

Personally, considering that Hillary and Obama each carry half the Democratic vote, I believe that they are going to have to run together, one way or another. And no matter how that ticket is ordered, I don't think either of them would think it's a good idea to announce, "Racists, don't vote for us."

Ideally, it would be wonderful to say that, I agree. But even in this clip, they're coming from the place of, she's not going to take it anyway, so she can do this.


Jonathan Trenn's picture

Oh yeah!! Gergen's got it

Oh yeah!!

Gergen's got it dead on. For months I've been saying that Obama's race is going to be a negative factor for a significant amount of white voters. It seemed to be a taboo to mention it. A lot of supporters seemed to not want to admit it for fear of letting some sort of genie out of the bottle. It's about class I would hear.

That was all horseshit. I'd hear people say that they wouldn't vote for Obama because he'll do things only for black people. Where was the evidence? There was none. I saw that a woman wrote into a Sunday morning political talk show and said that she was for Obama until he saw her with Oprah and figured that he'd do too pro-black. I thought how idiotic, but a red flag went up.

All four commentators are correct. NOW is the time to start condemning the fact that people won't cast a vote for a black person. And, yes, McCain should do that too.

These people who vote against Barack Obama shouldn't be conveniently dismissed as Republicans or conservatives. They're often not. Nor should they be taken lightly. They form a significant percentage of the population in swing states. Hell, 21% of her vote alone was about 100,000 people.

The Obama campaign is going to have to develop some serious strategies to overcome and work around this crap.


Hillel Aguero's picture

GIVE ME A BREAK!

When the hell did Kentucky become the “racist” vote? Shame on you! That type of rhetoric is dangerous when attached to the liberal party’s standard-bearer. Is that all you have left to sling at her?

This is the reason why conservatives think that we’re elitists. We throw around the words “bigot” and “racist” at people that we don’t like. I bet there are plenty of racists in the woods of Oregon. Of course, you’d probably call them Republicans.

What about Barak? He’s not spending much time telling Hamas (a bona fide racist group) that he doesn’t want their endorsement. What about their sympathizers? There’s a reason why sympathizers of Hamas and blach power groups LOVE Obama.

GIVE ME A BREAK!


Jonathan Trenn's picture

Hillel You make a good

Hillel

You make a good point...almost.

I'll say this as a centrist...not a liberal...who thinks that a decent amount of "progressives" can be elitist.

Want the clip here...21% of Hillary's voters in Kentucky factored race into their decision in voting for her. And 90 of those that took race into account were white.

The problem isn't Kentucky. Or rural people. Or Republicans. Or conservatives. (Meaning racists don't have to live in the woods of Oregon as well.)

It shows that there are a significant amount of people won't vote for Barack Obama because he is a black man. Period. Thats what the votes are saying themselves. That's not an overanalysis.

True, the liberal/left/progressive wing has to be careful not to classify anyone who doesn't vote for Obama as a racist (and I'm sure a lot will position it that way). But the evidence is right there on the posted video.

By the way, this has nothing to do with Hamas.


Karoli's picture

Try and pry the votes from her cold dead hands

She not only won't denounce them; she embraced them. And to anyone who thinks race wasn't an issue in the KY and WV votes, you have either been lied to or are lying to yourselves. Either way, when 130,000+ voters out of 665,000 say race was a factor, it's a factor.

Those 'hard-working white people' really made a statement. It's fair to ask that one be made in return.

I've posted this on my blog, too.


Ashamed Kentuckian's picture

Really?

Take it from a person who talked to all his friends, coworkers, and family about the campaign: a vast majority of people I talked to said they "wouldn't vote for a n*****" (censored by me, i won't even type the word). I have been both apalled and ashamed by my fellow Kentuckians during this entire election season.

Yes, I voted for Obama, and I will again in the fall.


media girl media girl's picture

Great catch on this, Liza!

Great catch on this, Liza! I've been bothered by this -- and by Gergen, too, by the way -- back when the Wright "issue" came out, and how Obama was going to have to "address" it. "We're shocked -- shocked! -- that Barack Obama is black and goes to a black church! He's going to have to explain this!"

Similarly hateful remarks by other preachers, including Falwell, have been ignored in the press. A different standard? Hard to doubt.


Bill's picture

Hey! What's going on here?

Your Gergen quote following the third paragraph of your post is significantly different from the corresponding part of the transcript. The two statements are polar opposites. One of them is either a typo or an outright fabrication intended to anger people.

Did you do that on purpose?

What did Gergen really say? Which is it?


liza's picture

i first wrote this post at 2am in the morning

after looking to no avail for the transcript. once the transcript was up i updated but forgot to strike out and correct what i wrote down previously from notes and the video. i didn't say i was a good transcriber Sticking out tongue

btw : peeps, i have to go pick up my kidlet from school. once i come back will reply to everyone. c'ya!


Bill10's picture

Let me clarify

Your excerpt from the transcript says: "That raises the question in my judgement, whether she shouldn't say, "You know, if you don't want to vote against him because he's black, then I don't want your vote."

The actual transcript says: That raises the question in my judgement, whether she shouldn't say, "You know, if you want to vote against him because he's black, then I don't want your vote."

The first (your excerpt) inserts the word "don't" into Gergen's statement in a way that totally reverses the meaning, to make it appear that Gergen is saying Hillary is a racist.

So which is it, and why did you do that?


Bill's picture

Never mind

You posted your reply to my first post while I was composing my expansion on it.

Understood. I edit for a living, and stuff like this just jumps out at me.

Besides, I am so sick of hearing lies in presidential campaigns that I automatically assume malice when I see something like this.

Good job getting the transcript. You get an A. Bad job excerpting. You get an F on that part.


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